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« on: December 27, 2009, 07:24:00 AM »

Hello to all!!

I really don't know where to begin.  It seems that my life is made up of bad decision.  I know that there is no such thing as good or bad, but I'm coming from the perspective in which my dharma practice just seems to get harder and harder.  Let me make it clear that I do not belong to any Buddhist organization because I have come to the conclusion that all religions are a method of control.  Therefore, I consider myself to be an atheist.  I love meditation and the Buddha's teachings.  The four noble truths have had such a deep impact in my life. 

I have a normal life.  I go to work 40 hours a week, I spend time with my wife, I love my family and friends very much.  However, sometimes I feel very empty.  I would love to give all this up.  Leave my job, sell all my possessions, and go to a remote location and live of the land.  Meditate and really love life.  I'm not sure if these are the first steps to renunciation because as much as I dislike the material world I don't know if I can survive without it.  It's easier said than done.

I would like to know if there are any groups that help people transition from an urban life to a more pure life.  An urban life is so disconnected and unnatural.

Thank you all for reading my post!! 
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 01:57:14 AM »

Well this is a matter i understand very well, as i have been through it.
If you were in Thailand i would say go to Wat pah nana Chat or Wat Suan Mokkh or Wat Nong Pah Pong.
Thes places you can stay at for months and see how you adapt to living without clingiing to the world and learning to renounce.
one thing is gronwing to see normal life and its pointless rounds as boring and of no purpose.. but sometimes when we try to renounce we find it is also not what we expected. Clinging is what we call Kilesa and is based in self cherishing. Clinging to the world is an obvious form of clinging, but we can also cling to our notion of how renunciation should be, and when we go stay at a place where we are practising renunciation, sometimes the system there doesnt fit with our idea of how it should be - this is where the kilesas begin to rise up and attack our stability of mind. this is where the real war begins with the inner maras. The Maras we see outside are only ephemeral - the real maras and the real battles are all within.
Renunciation is something which i cheer anyone to do including myself, for it is the only way out of this mess.

I would like to know more about you, like where you live etc so i can find a place where i can recommend you to go
I know various places around the world, so i could help to recommend somewhere for you with an apt teacher and enviroment for the proper phase of experimentation with the idea of giving everything up and eventually letting go of things.

If you are in USA i recommend the Bhavana center in Virginia headed by Bhante Gunaratana Henepola for a retreat namaste
 Although you have a family and cant go be a monk or something, i still think that a period of retreat would help you in knowing how to use the time and space you would have living off the land. You should however not create expectations of how you think such a new life would be.. the problems dont go away with the change to a quiter enviroment - in fact thats when you dont have any outer confusion to blame the problems on! Tahats when you realaise that you still get frustrated and angry, depressed etc.
the real problem lies within our minds which tend to dissatisfaction with things because they dont meet our expectations.
The maras are within us, as are the kilesas and they hide themselves well from our roving eyes.

despite having said this, it is still easier to practise and find peace in such an enviroment as you mentioned (living away from city and in the country live off the land etc).
But just remember to not think that that will solve all problems of dissatisfaction and unrest - what it will do is make it obvious that we have nowhere else to go now and that the only way to get rid of the problem is to cut it out from oneself and release it from ones mind. The kilesas will rise up when they dont have any more outer objects to manifest themselves through (i.e. traffic jam, crowded street, red light and you are late for work).

Impacience has nothing to do with the red light and late for work. The impacience was living there in our heart with or without the red light and the timepiece.

Anger was there with or without the person standing on our foot or spilling the coffee on us.. It just uses the coffee spill as a way to express itself.

We have to look within to find where the dissatisfaction is coming from and see the connection it has with our expectations (of being rich, or of leading a life in the country living off the land)... we experience disappointment when our expectations are not met. So to stop expecting thiings to be like this or that will seriously reduce the suffering and disappointments..
 thats a first step.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 07:52:12 AM »

Hi,

I responded to your post.  Did you not get my email?  Thanks!!!!
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 04:41:02 AM »

Hi,

I responded to your post.  Did you not get my email?  Thanks!!!!

Not sure ill have a look.. Did you use the personal message system?
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 04:23:38 AM »

I sent it to this one:

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 04:21:03 AM »

ok ill check
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2010, 04:27:04 AM »

I think that renunciation is very tricky.

If one has been addicted to poverty, for example, then it may be helpful for that individual to renunciate poverty.

Going to the opposite extreme would not, however, be the renunciation of poverty.

Non-attachment however, may lead one to a better place irrespective of having, or not having, things. 


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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2010, 07:12:57 AM »

Wow.. Julia, for a spambot, you aint so bad at all...you almost make sense! (but not quite).

Its amazing how spambots are inclined towards Buddhism
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